Explanation from the League

On the second Philly goal:

Explanation on Philadelphia’s second goal at 9:47 of the second period – Washington’s Shaone Morrisonn plays the puck and Philadelphia’s Patrick Thoresen lays a legal body check on Morrisonn.  No Philadelphia player makes contact with Washington goaltender Huet (Rule 69).  This play is not reviewable.

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108 Comments on “Explanation from the League”

  1. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    They interviewd Thoresen between perids and asked him about the goal. He said and I quote

    “the guy tried to tackle me so I tried to tackle him and he ended up falling into the goaltender”

    That is a fair assesment of what happened and it should not have been a penalty and play should not have been stopped as Thoresen never touched Huet.

  2. Matt Says:

    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Wasn’t this same sequence called several different ways coming down the stretch for several different teams.

    If they are going to claim to “review every goal” you would actually think that would be every goal. Jason Smith was interviewed by VS (not Victoria’s Secret) and had a smile as big as Crosby in a lipstick shop. Needless to say he knew they got a freebie.

  3. tj Says:

    Call makes no sense.

    So kozlov gets checked into flyers goal and he gets a penalty.
    Caps D gets checked into goalie and no call…???

    Refs are inconsistent at best.

  4. Jed Says:

    that’s how they’ve been all year, so at least they are consistent in their inconsistentcy…

  5. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    Game, set, match.

    Any questions?

  6. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    Wow! It sure got quiet in here.

    Shhhhhh… Listen…..

    Hear the crickets chirping?

  7. txcapsfan Says:

    Not a question we will however look forward to seeing you in the Montreal boards whining about how your team just got owned. You are 0-4 against them this year and ben OWNED in everygame this year.

    accept what it is for good or bad the Flyers were gifted the goal. Its how the game shakes up.

    To your first statement They interviewd Thoresen between perids and asked him about the goal. He said and I quote

    “the guy tried to tackle me so I tried to tackle him and he ended up falling into the goaltender”

    Were you able to even see the play? Tried to tackle him?? HAHAHA we have no proved the 2nd thing .. .He lied (PS the first was throughout the whole season in everygame this was called a no goal, and I believe the flyers benefited from this more than once this season)

    And since we are believing everything we hear/read I have a bridge to sell you in bermuda. Same old tired response from you i am blind to what is going on but someone who wears orange and black said it there for its true. Its typical drone response i you sitting in your chair drooling on yourself chanting “Leader…. Leader….. Leader.” to the tune of batman?

  8. chasles Says:

    go puck yourself philly. a seriously sketchy goal and tons of bad calls (in both ways yes, but lopsided for sure) do not a cup make. good luck getting mauled when the refs in the second round actually call penalties on your goons.

    way to go caps, thanks for a great season.

  9. txcapsfan Says:

    Chasles.. I would like to second your statement. First time in awhile and First of many to come.

    Thanks Caps! Look forward to seeing you next season!

  10. Considering how similar calls has yielded disallowed goals, that explanation is complete bull.

  11. Tom in FL Says:

    Hey, it was a really great season. One of my favorite hockey seasons ever, and it will keep going by watching the rest of the playoffs.

    Sure beats last place.

    I have no remorse on the officiating. The Caps had plenty of chances.

    I’d shake hands with any Flyers fans just like they do on the ice but there aren’t any Flyers fans here with whom to shake.

    As for next year:

    1) sign Green
    2) bring back Federov, Huet, Cooke and Bradley
    3) Alzner comes up
    4) We say goodbye to Olie
    5) maybe also say goodbye to Pothier and Jurcina. Eminger and Erskine I think you bring back. Schultz I’m not sure.
    6) Clark and Nylander return, so you might have a glut of forwards. I still might trade Semin in the right package. The pretty goals are really nice but those stick fouls need to go.

    I really think the Caps need one big trade to get a Langway type d-man.

    Maybe I’m getting ahead of myself planning for next year when the wounds are still open.

    I say there are no wounds – it was really a wonderful year. My hat’s off to George McPhee more than anyone on the planet because it took him like 7 years (starting with trading Bondra for Laich and a draft pick) to bring this all about. Next year when the Caps get like 110 regular season points they will all say how this team laid the groundwork. Hockey turned the corner in D.C. and it has nowhere to go but up.

    Chins up and let’s move forward.

  12. Jason Says:

    yom trading semin is retarded and olie should be able to finish his career here

  13. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    Any Caps fan who complains about the calls in that game just doean’t understand hockey, especially playoff hockey. There were several calls against the Caps where the refs turned there heads. At most, they missed 2 calls against the Flyers and the Kapanan goal was not one of them.

    The Flyers are the better team. The Flyers have more heart. The Flyers won the game. The Flyers won the series. Your crying about calls or non-calls will not change that. Get a good nights sleep and it won’t hurt as much tomorow. From there, every day will get a little easier for you. Don’t invest so much of your heart in the Caps. They’ll never be a top level team like the Flyers.

  14. Jason Says:

    dude go to a montreal site

  15. Philly Voice of Reason Says:


    You’ve always been fair with me, so I will leave now, but before I go, I will admit that I was fullly prepared to congratulate the Caps and their fans here had they won. The series was that good and provided me with 7 very entertaining games.

    Had it been a lopsided score, fans of the losing team would have to live with the thought that their team didn’t play their best game leaving doubt about which team is really better. When you lose in overtime in game 7, both teams deserved to win.

    You know that I love to bust balls, but when a series goes to overtime in a game 7 there really is no talent difference between the two teams. At that point, it really comes down to luck.


  16. Sapper Says:

    I wasn’t aware that checking from behind was now considered a “legal body check”.

  17. Philly Voice of Reason Says:


    I would take Semin on the Flyers in a heartbeat. I’d rather have Ovie or Backstrom, but Semin would be a nice addtion.

  18. Locoes Says:

    If you feel good about winning on a missed call congrats! Enjoy your win, and enjoy your fair and just team ethics and play. Remember what goes around comes around. Dont complain when its against you. As far as Heart.. Ovie has more heart then anyone on your team.

  19. M.D. Says:

    So, decking one of the other team’s players into the other team’s goalie on purpose in order to create an empty net is OK? Then expect to see this being done freely throughout the rest of the playoffs (and into next season). The number of goals per game should shoot up dramatically as a result, too. Every coach will be kicking themselves for not having drawn up such an effective play themselves.

  20. D'ohboy Says:

    @ Philly Voice of Reason:

    The Caps will win a cup before the Flyers do.




    PS-Don’t bother replying. I have better things to do with my time than respond to trolls.

  21. Andy Says:

    I’d hardly call the Flyers the better team. They choked away a 3-1 series lead, and got a lucky break in overtime of game 7. They just got the bounce their way in game 7… I’d leave it at that.

  22. Tom in FL Says:

    Jason: There’s nothing retarded about trading Semin if you get better value.

    Olie already did finish his career.

    I am prepared for next year already. The fall vacation (we take three a year to the Southwest) to Albuquerque/Santa Fe/Monument Valley has been rescheduled from the first week of October to the last week of Sept so as not to miss the start of next season. And the summer, 2009 vacation to Yosemite and Lake Tahoe will be pushed back to the end of June to allow full time for a run to the Stanley Cup Finals.

    Wow! Owen Nolan just scored on a breakaway. Wasn’t he like #1 overall a million years ago? Now they are reviewing the goal….it counts! I think Modano was #1 overall too. Maybe that was ’89. I wonder how many #1s overall since late 80s aren’t in the league. Alexandre Daigle comes to mind – what a bust!

    The Sharks just tied it!

    Hey, I like the Sharks because Ron Wilson was always a good coach for us and who can root against Thornton (another #1).

  23. Tom in FL Says:

    I might trade Semin for Coburn and toss something in.

  24. txcapsfan Says:

    Phily VR… Give it up

    You started this whole thing like a prick to turn around now and say i was all ready to offer congrats if you won is BS.. give it up You can’t even be consistent.

    Can not wait to see you on the Canadiens boards.

  25. Jason Says:

    vor we will see how far you go, personally i think you know the caps still have the brighter future. but a win is a win. the call was bull shit and you should be able to admit that but still a win is a win

  26. Tom in FL Says:

    Why are Caps fans criticizing the Flyers? The Flyers weren’t dirty, not for an instant in 24 periods of hockey. Just because you don’t like PVOR, that doesn’t change the fact that the Flyers gave 100% effort throughout and prevailed in the end. The Flyers played just like you’d all want them to play if they were your team. The officiating was far from perfect but was so for both teams. Maybe the Caps got a little worse on the officiating but the Caps also had many chances to take the game. You can never say when you bow out in Round 1 that you might have been cheated out of the Cup.

    I am as guilty as anyone of losing my cool on this blog. I cannot judge others w/o being judged myself. I will root for Montreal as it’s the only Eastern team remaining I can support. That doesn’t take anything away from the Flyers, who played fair. I sure wish we had a guy like Timonen who reminds me quite a bit of Calle Johanssen.

  27. Wrenfield Says:

    Tom in FL, you’re a class act all the way. Step up for a handshake….Your team fought hard and they’re going to be a force to be reckoned with next season just as they were this season.

  28. Philly VOR You are an idiot Says:

    Ridiculously bad officiating. Don’t even care about Poti’s penalty, but don’t try and tell me there isnt an unwritten rule to put the wistle away in OT. There was no scoring chance averted by the play, should have been let go.

    See Caps vs Florida, last game of the regular season, Caps score and goal is called back due to “INCIDENTAL CONTACT” from fleischmann pushing on FLA player into the FLA goalie. That is no different than what happened tonight. I couldn’t care less if the officials call everything or nothing, so long as it is consistent.

    Game 7’s should not be decided by refs. Final score: Philly 1, Refs 2, Caps 2.

    Please, PVOR, keep talking and show everyone what an idiot you are.

  29. Chuck Says:

    Isn’t this the same event, with less contact, that unfolded in the Tampa Bay game and our goal was waved off due to “incidental contact?” Yep. Between that and the Sean Avery decision (though deserved), welcome to the league of made-up rules where the ones they make up can be easily disregarded, too.

  30. FS Says:

    Actually, the goal that was called back on a similar play was against TB, not Florida. At the time, the league told us that you can’t check a player into the goalie, even if it is outside the crease. Guess that rule got changed real quick.

  31. Drew Says:

    The difference between the Laich goal against Tampa Bay and tonight’s goal is that Koharski is (still) a fat pig.

  32. strungout Says:

    I know this is a family blog…but that was a horseshit call.

  33. Joe Says:

    No, the call was perfectly legal. Thoreson laid a legal check onto Morrison and he got knocked back into the goalie. There was no way you could show clear intent on Thoreson’s part to interfere with Huet. On the Kozlov goal, it was subjective because Kozlov DID make contact with Biron himself, Thoreson didn’t.

    Was a good series. I will admit that I was nervous for every game of it.

    Thumbs Up: To Ovechkin for being one of th modest players ive seen. Yea, when he scores and celebrates drastically, you watch and despise him. But after hearing his comments after the game, I have a new found respect for him.

    Thumbs Down: To the bitch ass Caps fan at the game who threw a beer bottle at Jeff Carter. Sorry, but for shit like that, you deserve to lose.

    Thumbs also Down: To Mike Green and Tom Poti for being crybabys instead of professionals about the matter. Questionable calls maybe, but in my opinion, both the trips should have been called.

    Maybe if you didn’t celebrate like you won the Cup after you *tied the game*, you would also be more mature to not be sore losers.

  34. Hazardous Says:

    Thoreson should’ve lost a nut. Then we wouldn’t even be talking about the absolute bullshit non-call this was. There was nothing legal about this play. Anyone with EYES THAT WORK can see that the play is INTERFERENCE. Not GOALTENDER INTERFERENCE, as some are claiming it was. It wasn’t. But it WAS interference. Laying someone out who isn’t even near the puck is a penalty. It’s called interference.

    Philly fans: You have no room to call anyone crybabies, classeless, anything. Go back to your blogs where you and your ilk can gloat about how you stole a series from a better team while you get pounded in the ass by montreal.

    Anyone who knows hockey knows this play is garbage and decided the series.

  35. Teh Kira Says:

    Can’t we debate the validity of the call without badmouthing either team? >< Let the Flyers fans be happy in their advancement and let all us Caps fans look forward to next season, which should be even more amazing than this one was. Then we can all be happy and keep this civilized…

    Really, if you want to blame anyone for the call, how about the refs? Spotty or biased officiating, if you feel is how the game went, is by no means the fault of the opposing players or team. The Caps played well, the Flyers played well, things just got lucky in their favor, so congratulations to them.

    …and we’ll get them back next year. ^^

  36. Ben Says:

    I wouldn’t complain about the refs, except when it’s a blatantly wrong call that leads directly to a goal. Another complete horsesh*t call that leads to a horsesh*t goal so the horsesh*t Flyers have the privilege of getting stomped by the Habs. I am livid.

  37. Danny Says:

    Lets face it. If the Capitals got that goal, all their fans would be saying the exact same things as the Philly fans are now.

  38. acap1066 Says:

    Congratulations to the Flyers. They finished 1 point ahead in the regular season and beat the Caps by 1 goal in Game 7. The stats for both teams are nearly identical for the series. The biggest difference, in the stats that I saw, were that the Flyers scored 3 more total goals.

    I am still pissed this morning that the Captials lost. I am now starting to accept the fact that I still get to cheer for the red, white and blue, however it is now in the form of the Montreal Canadians.

    As for the Flyers goal when the Flyers’ player checked from behind to make room for the shot. I actually believe that this was the correct call. The goal that was taken away from the Caps in the Carolina game (correct team?) was the mistake. I don’t remember if that game went into overtime, if it did then those Officials cost the Caps a vital one point in the standings which later effected the playoff race/push. Yes, this wasn’t consistant but the first instance set up the expectation of a following call when last nights call was correct not the first instance, in my opinion

    Caps fans, lets face it and it is extremely hard to do so right now, the reason why the Caps lost was they took way to many penalties. Being down so long, at the end of the first period, doesn’t allow a team to get into a groove. Despite not scoring in the third period, I felt the best period the caps played as a whole team was the third. Looked like the found their stride and Biron just stone walled their multiple chances. As for the overtime goal, this just highlight that you can’t get away with an idiotic penalty. The Officials gave the Caps on freebie and then the Caps commit the same type of penalty in the same area of the boards? Even in overtime, the Officials couldn’t let that one go, it was the correct call for the time and circumstance.

    Again, last night demonstrated a need for a veteran defenseman to help steady the young defensive players currently on the roster and Alzner (I am assuming he will make the team) for next year. I like the suggestion of Coburn by another poster in this board. I would gladly take his salary off of the Flyers books to help them out with their salary cap for next year if he is a free agent (I don’t know his real status). It also shows that you can’t give a team a 3-1 lead in the series, just too much to overcome and that it is much better to stay out of overtime. I felt like the Caps went into overtime way to much this last season instead of trying to win the game in regulation. Well, will have to chalk this one up to gaining experience.

    By the way, I just threw up al ittle in my mouth since I could bash the Flyers in this post.

  39. ToddM326 Says:

    I’d love to see some clarification on this rule during the offseason before a goalie gets serious injured in one of these collisions.

    Now on to the months of waiting, and mind numbing arguements about what the Caps can do in the offseason to improve next year. -sigh-

  40. Jason Says:

    im sleeping until free agency, which i actually hope will be quiet. i definitely hope we get alzner and a bruiser, we have a lot of talent on the offense….who knows how much better that will be with clark and nlyander back in. i personally think we need to brink all of our trades back esp huet as the top priority.

  41. acap1066 Says:

    Joe. you are the moron, please clean up your language when visiting another teams boards. It deflects from your point. There was a history behind a similar call, if you would of seen it then you would have had a frame of reference. By the way, read my post, I said it wasn’t interference. Also, next time you post that type of general comment you may want to identify a specific post. Remember History 101 or history class in High School about citing the source.

  42. Joe Says:

    Why dont you read what my post said. It obviously was a response to someone who said it was interference.

    And you all act as if the Kapanen goal was the difference. You had half a game to make up for the goal. What about when Prospal got slashed and the guy’s stick broke? No call. The Erskine trip right before Poti?Both should have been called. But they werent.

  43. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    My last post, I promise.


    Stop banging your head against the wall. I’ve spent a week on this blog trying to explain hockey to Caps fans and it is simply not possible. I’m heading to the Montreal blog now. Move over there and stop wasting your time with these sore loser cry babys.

    Caps Fans,

    Read the explanation at the top of this blog. It’s really not that difficult to understand if you take your red colored glasses off. You can say the Caps are the better team all you want. The “better team” is cleaning out their lockers today and the Flyers are headed to Montreal for another series.

  44. Kyle Says:

    Wah, wah, wah. Call it what it was. A great series. Don’t cheapen it by complaining. Everything evens out with calls over the course of a 7 game series. There are no conspiracies and the refs didn’t “rob” the Caps of winning the series. There were plenty of questionable calls over the course of the 7 games that could have gone either way.

    If you are a Caps fan, be proud of your team. They played a hell of a series. Not only that, but they are going to be good for many years to come. If Ovechkin played for the Flyers, I would worship him. He’s awesome. I’m looking forward to these 2 teams meeting again in the future and establishing a good rivalry again!

    See you next year.

  45. Mike L Says:

    The play was questionable, but in looking at it from the TV replay after I got home, it looks like it was called correctly. The Poti call was not an eggregious tripping call, but the refs did let an eggregious one go with Erskine about 90 seconds before Poti’s….

    The reality of this game is that Biron stole it for the Flyers. Early on, he was making outstanding saves that on some nights, when he’s not in top form, he lets in. He played an outstandng 3rd period as well. There were no three star selections for the game, but Biron should have gotten the first star if ther were (Lupul gets #2 and Ovie #3).

    I really wish there wasn’t the tossing of all of the stuff onto the ice after the game, not only does it endanger the players (on BOTH TEAMS!) it’s a hazard to the folks who maintain the rink, the TV folks, etc. The players are likely safe since they’re wearing body armor, but Whats-her-name from VS. isn’t, and it wasn’t her fault the Caps lost the game.

    As for the future, there are things to look forward to:

    1) Of the 20 goals the Caps got in the 7 games, 18 were scored by players aged 24 or younger, meaning they’re under contract or will be next year. Of the 2 goals by players over 24, one of the players is already signed for next year (Brashear).

    2) The Caps have yet another genuine Calder Trophy candidate coming up in 2008-09 in Karl Alzner. He looks to be the real deal and was named the Western Hockey League’s Eastern Conference player of the year. This despite missing about 10 games while he was playing for Team Canada at the World Juniors…where they won the gold medal. Oh, did I mention Alzner was Canada’s captain during the World Juniors too?

    3) For the first time since the 1990s, the Caps have to make tough decisions on who is going to be let go, as opposed to scrambling to fill out a line-up. The depth chart is loaded with players that are at the NHL level. For exaple, right now the Caps have eight NHL defensemen under contract or as RFAs (Green, Morissson, Schultz, Poti, Pothier, Erskine, Emminger, Jurcina) and they have Alzner ready to go, Lepisto is probably NHL ready as well…

    As for priorities in the offseason:

    1) Figure out the goaltending situaiton. They need to get Huet signed (that will likely happen) and then find out from Olie if he wants to stay or go. I figure it will be Olie’s choice. If Olie wants to retire, then Johnny is a find back-up and is already under contract for 08-09. If Olie wants to play one more year in DC, then they need to see if they can move Johnny somewhere after they’ve resigned Huet.

    2) Get Green locked up for 3-4 years. Green will likely want arbitration or will want a contract that takes him right to age 28 (where he becomes a UFA). I think the Caps can either offer him a contract which goes to age 27, or 29. Giving him a contract to age 28 would be a mistake. I am pretty sure something will happen here that works out well for both parties.

    3) Sign Brooks Laich so as to avoid arbitration with him. Last year, the two sides agreed on a salary (which may double or more in 2008-09) but there was the one-way/two-way deal. That issue is moot as Laich is now clearly and NHL player and deserves a one-way deal.

    4) Figure out Pothier’s medical issues. He missed over 50 games with a concussion issue. There are rules associated with the salary cap for long term disability. If he can’t play again, the Caps need to take steps to free his cap room up (Pothier would still be paid but not against the cap).

    5) Determine if the other UFAs want to stay (they probably all do to some degree), and get deals done if need be. Fedorov would be my first choice of the remaining UFAs, but I would not mind seeing Cooke skating with the Caps in 08-09 and beyond.

    It was a helluva year… with many better years to come.

  46. keydet Says:

    Well, even after last night’s loss, I’m happy with the way the Team played this season. It was a great ride. This was all gravy, however, I really do hope the Caps front office files an official grievance with the NHL for the lackluster work of the Refs last night.

  47. Jason Says:

    i am so proud of our boys they have more heart than the flyers will ever know. for the record after watching sportscenter and replaying the calls i agree. the missed call was our goal against tampa, not phily’s. i have to say it sucks we are done but sleeping will be easier. in many ways this is a natural step. sid the crybabys first series he couldnt come back to force a game 7, but look at them one year later. no we have the hart winner, future all-stars in Green Semin and Backstrom, Alzner coming up, legitimate scoring threats in brooks laich, kozlov, nylander, clark. we also have great goalie prospects in the system in addition to our 3. olie’s situation has to be up to him. anything else would do him injustice. i think we should trade johnny, i love him but he can play more elsewhere and we could get some draft picks for him. i think next year we will be among the NHL’s elite teams. who knows maybe even a 1 or 2 seed…

  48. acap1066 Says:

    Joe. I read your post. Just said to quote your sources. To make it simpler for you, it means quote the posters name as I have your name in both my posts. Apparently you didn’t read my post. This is giving proper attribution particularly when there are many posts saying may different things. By omitting this you put everyone in the same category. “And you all” again, read my post, I said the reason why the Caps lost was we were in the penalty box too much. This doesn’t fit the “you all” statement you indicated about the Kapanan goal (which I also indicated wasn’t a bad call in my post. Whenever possible, with the available knowledge at the time of post it is better to be specific. Also, I gave Biron credit for his performance asw ell. Again, read and be specific.

  49. KCME Says:

    Definately some shady calls during the game but Poti’s wasn’t one of them. My beef is definately the lack of consistency in calls. The league needs to do something about that. As for last nights game we should have had it in regulation but there were a TON of missed oppurtunities. That being said I really don’t think there is anything to be upset about. We were in last place in December!!! Our boys played fantastically throughout the second half of the year. Did anyone really think they would make it all the way to the finals? I didn’t. I think they are too young and inexperienced. They have the heart for it but keep in mind that this team is going to be good for years to come and teams like the Pens and Flyers are going to run out of cap room. What good is having a good team for a year or two? I’d rather have a great team year after year. We have some really great guys on the team who aren’t prima donnas and who give their all every game. They never cause any trouble and help out the community so much. We should be proud of them and the example they set. Next year they will be a force to be reckoned with!!!!

  50. Rich Says:

    There are two things I’m looking for (and I think most fans, too) from the NHL officiating. One is consistency with the calls. Whether or not you agree with the non-call last night on Thoreson, its easy to agree there are some real grey areas in the Goalie Interference rule that need to be clarified and CONSISTENTLY ENFORCED. This series really brought the issue to light, but it has been brewing all season. Second is consistency with the whistles. Why put them away for the second half of the game and then call something considerably less than egregious in a game 7 playoff game in OT (there were many other potential calls all night)?

    Nevertheless, it was a fantastic series, and Biron played, I think his best game of the series last night to keep his mostly outplayed team in a position to win.

    Gotta love playoff hockey.

  51. The Deuce Says:

    Right. Just like when we had the goal called off against Tampa when little Tomas Fleischman bumped the Tampa defenseman into their goalie, and they immediately waved off the goal. Exact same situation. Once again, NHL officials are the model of consistency. Consistently sucking, that is. Thanks again Koharski.

  52. Joe Says:

    Don Koharski wasnt there last night.

    It was Greg Dvorski

  53. CAPS FAN Says:

    What it comes down to is we should have scored one in the third period…shot after shot after shot, and Biron stole the game for his team. Well played Biron.

    This was my first season back in the DC area since before the lockout…I couldn’t have asked for a better one. Thanks guys for such an exciting, emotionally exhausting season, I can’t wait to see what you guys have in store for us in the future!

  54. The Deuce Says:

    Um, Joe, check the boxscore. Koharski AND Devorski “officiated” last night’s game: http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=Boxscore&game=137&season=20072008&gameType=3

  55. Joe Says:

    Dvorski was the one who called the goal on Thoreson’s “interference” play. Not Koharski. I didnt know he was the other ref, but he wasnt the one who made the call on that play

  56. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    I’ve replayed the Kapanan goal several times now and the only possible penalty that could have been called would be interference on Morrisonn, but it was really just two guys battling each other near the goal and Morrisonn ended up falling in to Huet. The refs had no more right to stop play than they did when Thoresen went down in the earlier game with a puck to the testicals.

    But as Joe stated, there was a lot of game played after that and the Caps failed to score. Biron stood on his head as I thought he’d have to to win this game. Goalies are a part of the team and our played better.

    Regarding post game comments, I’ve lost all respect for Green and Poti. I thought they were stand up guys until the comments they made last night. As all of the caps fans have been saying here on this blog, especially after a caps win, sometimes you have to credit the other team. Eveidently Green and Poti don’t read this blog.

  57. Joe Says:

    Even ovechkin clapping to crown after the game…. he’s everything you could ask for in a hockey player. you guys are lucky to have him and will be damn good in the future

  58. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    Agreed Joe.

    Ovechkin should hold a class on class and invite Green and Poti and most of the fans on this blog

  59. fauxrumors Says:

    1) Caps fans do NOT think for a second that Huet re-signing is a done deal. In fact we’d say its 60-40 against his returning. Why? We hear that Mrs Huet loved Canada and if given the opportunity would prefer to go back.
    2) So where? Ottawa is going to buy-out troublesome Ray Emery and Gerber is an UFA so an opening may be there. You can take it to the bank that IF Huet is still unsigned come July 1st, he’s as good as gone. The clock is now ticking…..

  60. Philly Voice of Reason Says:


    The Flyers showed more heart than the caps by dominating in over-time. Caps looked tired and discouraged. I think they were resigned to the fact that they could not beat Biron. Then as the Flyers pressed, the caps had to trip to stop the breakaway. They got away with the first one against Kapanan, but they couldn’t escape the call on the second that led to the game winner. The cap players stick was stuck in Umbergers skate.

    Game, Set, Match.

  61. Ben Says:

    Philly Voice of Reason

    Irony seeps through every sentence you type. Also, the Flyers were one bad bounce from folding like a lawn chair. How do you feel about that you fair-weathered twit?

    Cue irrelevant response.

  62. bill ball Says:

    Referees in the playoffs are supposed to be the cream of the crop, and it is supposed to be a privilege to ref in the post season.

    This series has had its ups and downs with calls and non-calls, but last night was too strange.
    How you can muddle the 1st period with ticky-tacky infractions (ie the call on Steckel) and then pretend to put your whistles away through the 2nd, 3rd and OT until the ‘right penalty’ appears? This does nothing but confuse the hell out of the players and the fans. Either manage the game or don’t. I’m sure both Flyers and Caps fans would simply like to see some consistency.


    Of course the league has an explanation for the non-call on the Flyers’ second goal. Their boys on the ice screwed up last night. Comcast DC even showed Fleischmann’s disallowed goal from the last game with the Lightning, and his check on the Tampa defenseman was far less gratuitous than what we saw last night from Thoresen.

    Sure the Caps had chances to put it away, and perhaps we’d have seen the same result even if that 2nd Flyers goal was washed out. But in that case, the Caps could’ve lost with a little more dignity. They would have been outlasted by another team in game 7 of a tough series, and not jobbed by thuggery and some legalese to cover the league’s ass.

  63. Philly Voice of Reason Says:


    It was the caps that folded like a lawn chair in overtime. They were out played and couldn’t handle the Flyers pressure with taking penalties. The outcome was a foregone conclusion. We won, you lost.

    Suck on that, loser.

  64. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    The caps WERE outlasted by another team. Go back and watch the overtime period. Stop trying to recreate it in your mind to reduce the hurt.

  65. Txcapsfan Says:


    Could not handle the Flyers play? Without the Gracious effort of the ref’s for the Flyers you would not be on this board talking smack. Allow me to introuduce you to your uneducated review of the play.

    What is teh call when there is a stick in the gut of the opposing player when level with the ice?

    How about the uncalled interference call on Matt Cooke prior to the faceoff the goal was scored on?

    I think we cost ourselves by tripping the flyers no question about. The argument has been and will remain they picked and chose what they would call and when. The sad state of that is that for the most impact it was to the benefit on the Flyers, I give them (the Flyers) props for playing hard until the end.

    I have not been a fan of the unsportsmanship (rolling on the goalie)
    Nor have I been a fan of the missed calls throughout the series (that includes the check that one of the caps layed into one of the Flyers after the questionable goal)

    The point is the flyers game involves pushing the rules, the caps does not. The fact that limited effort was made to keep the Flyers low brow game in check seriously impacted the serier.

    You and I have been going at this for awhile. You can not put aside you emotion to review it objectively and would rather insult and put yourself out there like you know a sport that by your comments you honestly do not…

  66. Txcapsfan Says:

    Taking you too long trying to look it up?

    Stop antagonizing people and move on like you have said 1800 times

  67. Jason Says:

    vor you were just getting civil…you won you should really let us mope like you would have done if you lost. fact it green and poti just lost a game 7 because of QUESTIONABLE calls…notice i said questionable and not incorrect… i guarantee if the same result w/ diff outcome happened phily fans would be on here saying the refs gave us the game, and at least a few flyers would have been as upset as poti and green.

    that being said you won fair and square. game, set, match. but over the course of the series the caps did show more heart, and i think you have to agree that phily would have put it away in 5 if they didnt.

    fact is that this was a great series, 2 bounces our way and we could have won in 6…but we didnt. sucks.

    greatest season ive ever seen as a caps fan…better than our cup run (i was younger but i think this year was more of an accomplishment because of how we made the playoffs and where we started off)

  68. Jason Says:

    tx quit beating a dead horse. the officiating was bad all around and at the end of the day we couldnt score and they could…at least twice honestly (in others opinion not my own) who is to say what would have happened if they washed out the goal or if more calls were made against us or for us

  69. Jason Says:

    phily perhaps you could stop egging everybody on?

  70. Philly Voice of Reason Says:


    I am trying to find a blog on the Montreal site with good debate as promised, but no luck so far. Even when I do, I can’t guarentee that I won’t stop back here to police things. Someone has to do it.

  71. Ben Says:

    The day you find a blog with good debate is the day that good debate dies.

  72. Txcapsfan Says:


    Read it again. You spout off like an imbecile The call i was referring too is the one the caps should have taken for a bad check (thats the one in the second). In OT there was an interference call against Cooke that was not called which would have made it a 4 on 4.

    In addition you can’t have a debate if you tried. You end up cheap shooting it (do you see a common theme) because you are not educated enough to speak on what you are trying to debate. Every time you try a crappy review is made and someone calls you for the crap that is in it you get flustered and cuss them out.

    Learn what you speak of before opening your mouth from now on because to police you have to be educated on the rules and be able to speak intelligently. The only thing you are trying to do is antagonize everyone on the board.

    Jason I have never stated that the calls were not bad both ways. What I was making a point of is that the impact (ie had the most chance to change the outcome of the game)calls were against the Caps. I have also never denied that we had some chances we could have taken advantage of. However, we were never outplayed by the Flyers it was a great competitive series that the bounces went the Flyer’s way. Like the Caps there were as many missed opportunities by the flyers we just ended up a hair shorter.

  73. Philly Voice of Reason Says:


    I am trying very hard to get on the Canadian’s blogs. It is not an easy process. There are forms to be filled out; you have to agree to abide by rules of conduct, then they “review” your application before they allow you to post. I haven’t been approved as of this morning.

    I have reviewed posting on many of their blogs and I was very disappointed in what I saw. Little to know debate, just a lot of cheerleading with a bunch of stupid graphics, logos and pictures of players. I thought Montreal was supposed to be the birthplace of hockey and had the most knowledgeable fans, but it didn’t seem that to me.

    As far as debating you, the problem is you only want to debate if the end result is everyone agreeing with you. That’s not how a debate works.

  74. Txcapsfan Says:

    See same ole same ole. If you would like to “debate” let me know, but you can not “What a sad sack of sh** you are…” Same ending same thing. actually try debating? No? Because you can not even build up evidence to say i am wrong.




    Any questions?

  75. Reefa Says:

    For what it’s worth, NHL Rule 67c states:

    “A minor penalty shall be imposed on an attacking player who deliberately checks a defensive player, including the goalkeeper, who is not in possession of the puck. ”

    Having said that, I’ll say the same thing I said to some Philly fans last night; good luck, and if you get that far, please knock the crap out of Crosby in the Conference Finals.

  76. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    A debate requres that both parties have the ability to listen. That is why I can’t debate you. You don’t listen. You just want to complain about the officiating over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    I thought that was supose to be the Philly fans rap?

    I didn’t want to say this, but you’ve forced my hand…

    The majority of the bad calls in this series were against the Flyers. We fought through them and won anyway. The series wouldn’t have been as close as it was or gone as long as it did if the officiating was balanced. Be happy you got to see your team play in 7 playoff games this year. If the games were called fairly, caps would have been out in 5.

    Now go cry in the corner. You’re boring me.

  77. Txcapsfan Says:

    Same ole same ole… RIIIIGHHHTTT which is why the internet has been afire with how the Flyers pulled through adversity with the abysmal officiating that they faced.

    Hmmm your arguments do not match anything. still can not do it without getting personal..” Now go cry in the corner. You’re boring me.” let me know.. I am still waiting to listen to something that is worth the time to debate.

  78. Joe Says:

    Alright, its over. forget about it. yeah, i got sucked into the flame wars and overreactions, and had only wanted to post about the blog entry about game 4. you can argue over the intangibles but its over. the game easily could have been won by the caps. i underrated their desperation type of hockey. i didnt think they were a strong playoff team, but they proved me wrong.

    Its tough to not sound biased since Im a flyers fan, but what can you do. I didnt mean to offend anyone who is a fan of the caps. Alot of responses were right after the games so of course we all get emotions involved.

    All in all, it was was exciting to be able play against OV in his first playoff series. The contagious hockey he plays will make you guys be atop the conference for a while.

    Lookin forward to playing you guys next year

  79. Philly Voice of Reason Says:


    I knew Texas sucked, but I didn’t realize it was so bad that you have to turn in to a Caps fan to find some enjoyment. Why are you not a Stars fan? Their still in it, right? Move on young man. You’re not going to change what happened last night by crying about it. Leech on to the Stars and go blow your horn there. You have no place here.

  80. Anthony Says:


  81. Anthony Says:

    Proud to be a caps fan.

  82. usiel Says:

    Jeez, some people need some internet 101 lesson when its comes to trolls, lol.

  83. Funkyglovefacewash Says:

    Helluva series! Of course I’m bummed we didn’t win but let’s just be glad our young guys made the playoffs and gained some solid playoff experience. As I said before, I don’t like to get into the bad calls/non calls because it does go both ways and your team has to find a way to win regardless of penalties called or not called. We could just as easily look at all of our PP’s that we failed to score on that could’ve made other calls/non calls moot. Our 4 biggest young stars put up great numbers for their first NHL playoffs and that’s something to be excited about, next year we will be that much better. The future is very bright for this Caps team and this was another positive step in the right direction. I couldn’t be more proud of the team right now. The Flyers skated hard and exposed our inexperience early in the series and we came all the way back to force a game 7 OT. Hats off to both clubs for not giving up. Go Caps!

  84. mikeS Says:

    Caps sign bruce for another year


    putting the pieces together for a great 08-09

    Go caps go!

  85. Cristiano Says:

    Send Don some feedback for the ref camps he runs:


    Koharski’s Officiating & Development Camps
    P.O. Box 1102, San Antonio, FL 33576

    “If, in the opinion of the referee, a player makes contact with the puck first and subsequently trips the opponent in so doing, no penalty shall be assessed.”

    Rule 57.1 pp.80-81 (90 of 232)
    Source: http://www.nhl.com/ext/0708rules.pdf

  86. Tom in FL Says:

    In the end, the most oblivious thing about FVOR is he just doesn’t understand how I can root for the Caps and how the guy from Texas can root for the Caps.

    He just doesn’t understand that sometimes people move for their job, but refuse to abandon their old team. And it’s easier now with the Center Ice.

    I see he posts all day and all night so I assume he’s unemployed. He probably still lives in the same house with his mother he lived in when he was born, so the concept of moving just doesn’t occur. Just like he didn’t have a clue about plus/minus.

    For him, all of live is in the Rocky movie.

    Now he doesn’t understand why Montreal fans don’t want him around. Maybe he should look in the mirror.

    It sounds like all the other Flyer fans have come around and are now just talking hockey. That one guy Joe has put some thoughtful posts and, yes, we’re hoping to knock Philly out of the playoffs next year. Hopefully in Round 3.

    How about if some of you other Flyer fans start jumping now PVOR’s throat and chase him away since his grating personality likely bothers you too.

    The worst news of all is he can’t find anything blog so like the worst relative you can imagine he’s just going to park his butt here and stay. I’d say to ignore him, but here I am talking about him. He actually says some intelligent things sometimes and then he just gets that attitude and acts like a (insert your word of choice here).

    I have read the rule book before. Maybe I will look again. I thought if an offensive player pushes a defensive player into the goalie, even if it’s not interference, they’re supposed to blow the play dead and have a faceoff.

  87. Tom in FL Says:

    Koharski and Devorski.

    That’s two I’s between them.

    Sorry, but I had to make the joke.

  88. Tom in FL Says:

    Here’s Rule 78, goalie interference:

    If an attacking player initiates contact with a goalkeeper, incidental or otherwise, while the goalkeeper is in his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
    If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
    In all cases in which an attacking player initiates other than incidental contact with a goalkeeper, whether or not the goalkeeper is inside or outside the goal crease, and whether or not a goal is scored, the offensive player will receive a penalty (minor or major, as the Referee deems appropriate). See also Rule 47(c) — Charging).
    (NOTE 1) In exercising his judgment under subsections (a) and (b) above, the Referee should give more significant consideration to the degree and nature of the contact with the goalkeeper than to the exact location of the goalkeeper at the time of the contact.

    (NOTE 2) If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed to be contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

    (NOTE 3) A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.

    If (i) a goalkeeper initiates contact with an offensive player who is in the goal crease; and (ii) such contact is (a) initiated by the goalkeeper in order to establish position in his goal crease; and (b) results in an impairment of the goalkeeper’s ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
    If, after any contact by a goalkeeper who is attempting to establish position in his goal crease, the attacking player does not immediately vacate his current position in the goal crease (i.e. give ground to the goalkeeper), and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed. In all such cases, whether or not a goal is scored, the offensive player will receive a minor penalty for goalkeeper interference.
    (NOTE 1) The overriding rationale of subsections (d) and (e) above is that a goalkeeper should have the ability to move freely within his goal crease without being hindered by the actions of an attacking player.

    (NOTE 2) If, while attempting to establish position within his goal crease, a goalkeeper commits an act that is worthy of a penalty (i.e. cross-checking, slashing, etc.), then the appropriate penalty shall be assessed by the Referee.

    When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent.
    If an attacking player establishes a significant position within the goal crease, so as to obstruct the goalkeeper’s vision and impair his ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
    (NOTE) For this purpose, a player “establishes a significant position within the crease” when, in the Referee’s judgment, his body, or a substantial portion thereof, is within the goal crease for more than an instantaneous period of time.

    Subject to (i) below, if an attacking player enters the goal crease and, by his actions, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
    In a rebound situation, or where a goalkeeper and offensive player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact with the goalkeeper will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed.
    In the event that a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck after making a stop, the goal will be disallowed. If applicable, appropriate penalties will be assessed.
    In the event that the puck is under a player in or around the crease area (deliberately or otherwise), a goal cannot be scored by pushing this player together with the puck into the goal. If applicable, the appropriate penalties will be assessed, including a penalty shot if deemed to be covered in the crease deliberately (see Rule 55(c) — Falling on Puck).

    A goalkeeper who deliberately initiates contact with an attacking player other than to establish position in the crease, or who otherwise acts to create the appearance of other than incidental contact with an attacking player, is subject to the assessment of a minor penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.
    An attacking player who, in the judgment of the Referee, initiates contact with the goalkeeper, whether inside or outside the crease, in a fashion that would otherwise warrant a penalty, will be assessed an appropriate penalty (minor or major and/or game misconduct) and will be subject to additional sanctions as appropriate pursuant to Rule 33A — Supplementary Discipline.
    (NOTE 1) For purposes of this rule, “contact”, whether incidental or otherwise, shall mean any contact that is made between or among a goalkeeper and attacking player(s), whether by means of a stick or any part of the body.

    (NOTE 2) The above-stated standards relating to when a goal will be disallowed will be applied in all situations in which the puck enters the net regardless of whether it was directed into the net by the attacking or defensive team.

    Whenever the Referee stops play to disallow a goal as a result of contact with the goalkeeper (incidental or otherwise), the resulting face-off shall take place at the nearest neutral zone face-off spot outside the attacking zone of the offending Team.

  89. mark Says:

    I’m not usually one to point fingers, but a lot of Caps fans were calling for Jurcina to be benched after a few weak games earlier in the season. And who did Lupul elude for the game-winning goal? Our D was so much better than in our last playoff year, where every pass in our zone made me nervous, but still, we’ve got some improvements to make back there.

  90. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,

    Your age and failing eye sight has finally caught up to you.

    You could have saved an hour and a half of your time and stayed at crossing guard post by quitting after the first sentence of your latest rule book diatribe.

    “If an attacking player initiates contact with a goalkeeper, incidental or otherwise, while the goalkeeper is in his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.”

    Thoresen didn’t initiate the contact, Morrison did. So rule 78 does not apply and the rest of your novel which I fell asleep trying to read is moot. Please try reading the rule that applies to the call. It is rule 69, which the great “Vogs” describes at the top of this blog. You can’t pick a rule that fits your slanted view of the play.

    For a while there, I was proud of you; staying out ot whine country; making objective, albeit boring poits about both teams play; giving Flyers credit; etc.. I should have known it was too good to last. Afterall, you are a caps fan, so you must bitch and whine about officiating.

    Don’t get too excited about next year. The Flyers made moves last year to go from worst to almost first and probably would have finished first had it not been for injuries to key players (Gagne, Richards, Hatcher, Lupol). And if you are the hocky historian you pretend to be, you should know that the Flyers have a ton of money and if they feel there is a move that will make them better, they will make it.

  91. MalarJohanBondOvech Says:

    I’ve taken great inspiration from the Caps this season and have never been prouder to be a Caps fan. I truly believe this experience will pay dividends for the team down the road.

    Often times you do have to learn how to lose before you learn how to win, and I look forward to many wins ahead. The Caps have learned what its like to play playoff hockey. They’ve learned what aspiring to win the Cups tastes like and will strive even harder and smarter in the future. They’ve learned never to give up. They’ve learned to be a family with each other. I don’t know any of the players from Adam, but it is very apparent these guys are like family with one another. And they would go to war for Boudreau.

    Oh, and in the future, as Caps fans, let’s not entertain those fans from other teams who post to raise our ire by responding to them. The best thing is to ignore those fans and be gracious to those who are sincere and true hockey fans. Don’t give the bad apples what they want. Ignore them and they will disappear in short order.

    Chins up, Caps fans! Focus on the positives–there are more now than there have been in a very long time!

  92. Tom in FL Says:

    My opinion is Jurcina is a 4th pair defenseman. I kind of feel Schultz is too. Would they have played for last year’s Anaheim Ducks? If the answer is no, then they aren’t good enough to play for you if your aim is to win the Cup.

    The Caps need a #1 defenseman. Poti and Morrisonn are second pair. Green is first pair on offense only. Making him work like a dog on defense will only sap his strength for offense. Ideally, you only send Green out on the PP and for offensive zone draws. He’s like Gonchar in that respect but with more defensive skill. You can also maybe compare Green to Big Al Iafrate.

    As several have pointed out, with Alzner coming up and with who the Caps have, assuming Pothier returns, you have Green, Poti, Morrisonn, Pothier, Schultz, Erskine, Jurcina, Eminger and Alzner for 6 or 7 slots. I for one felt that Erskine and Eminger stepped up in the playoffs and Jurcina stepped back. Schultz didn’t get the chance but my thing with him is he doesn’t effectively use his size.

    I am the one who keeps talking about trading Semin. Now I see an article here saying the turning point might have been Semin’s lazy hook on Richards. Semin is an incredible talent but he’s undisciplined on a team where everyone else was disciplined. He doesn’t fit unless he changes his tune. For the $4.2M he gets next year he BETTER score 40 goals and not give up a lazy stick foul a night.

    Alzner might be the next great thing but it doesn’t happen overnight in the NHL with defensemen. Go back and look with the best defenseman in recent memory – Scott Stevens. It took him several years plus Langway’s tutelage to get to the top of his game. I believe the Caps can compete for the President’s Trophy and Cup next year assuming they get a top defensive defenseman and either retain Huet or get some goalie in at least the top 10. Huet was sometimes shaky but he wasn’t the problem. And it wasn’t the officials. You give the Caps the 1985 version of Rod Langway on the blueline and then take away the senseless penalties and the Caps beat the Flyers in 5.

    The one player I’m really learning to “laich” is Brooks Laich. He reminds me of Mike Ridley.

    This is so much better than last year when the team stunk and there wasn’t even a blog or maybe I didn’t know. I apologize if I sometimes take up an electron or two to many with my random thoughts.

    I have never been to the Verizon Center. I moved to Florida in early 96. Maybe this coming year I can get up there. I might also plan one of my vacations to Arizona to when the Caps play in Phoenix. I will also attend again as every year when the Caps play in Tampa, and my daughter wants us to do a road trip when they play back-to-backs in Tampa and Miami. I have been to Miami to see the Ravens several times but not the Caps. Actually I think the Ravens play in Miami in December so there you go would be ideal if Caps play there the same weekend. We’ll see.

  93. Philly Voice of Reason Says:


    Thanks for yet another disconnected snooze fest.

  94. Tom in FL Says:

    I did not read the rules there on the interference, nor did I suggest any conclusion. I just posted it in case anyone cared to read it. Anyone who wants can read the rules and make their own interpretation.

    Please don’t refer to me as “Tommy, Tommy, Tommy.” You don’t know me. I paid more in federal tax last year than you made. I’d rather you not address me at all.

    One of the problems in today’s world is the children learned to behave from television and not their parents (if they had any).

    What you need FVOR is a career choice counselor to help get you off the couch and gainfully employed. May I suggest the United States Army? I know that I for one would pay good money just to watch you in boot camp the first time you tried to pull your schtick with the drill sergeant.

  95. Philly Voice of Reason Says:


    If I feell like calling you Tommy, I will call you Tommy. Don’t like it? Try and stop me.

    In your posts, you’ve made personal attacks against me, including but not limited to my sex life, my education, my employment status, where and who I live with and how much money I make (or don’t make). I’ve never once asked you to stop. If you were a man, you would be able to take what you dish out, but I guess that’s not the case.

    You see Tom, I am a parapalegic. I am 16 years old and as the result of a DWI accident 2 years ago, the only part of my body that I can move is my neck and head. I lost both parents and a younger sister in the accident and spent 14 months in the hospital with crown screwed into my skull to restrict movement so I can at least move my head. I live off of welfare in a half way house in Southwest Philly. I type all of my posts by blowing through a tube in my mouth. My one joy in life is the Flyers. I use to play street hockey before the accident and fell in love with the game. As much as I would love to join the Army, I don’t think that will ever happen.

    So now you know, that’s who I am, that’s what I do and that’s why I may come off a bit cynical. Enjoy all your money and world travels as I sit here in anticipation of the next Flyers game. You’re right, I don’t hve much of a life, but it’s all I have for now.

  96. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    Oh, and by the way, Tommy, you mentioned in one of your posts that my mom should have aborted me. I must admit that that hurt me very deeply as I loved my mom very much and miss her very much. She loved me as did my father. As bad as things are for me today, I’m glad my mom did not abort me.

  97. CapitalSpirit Says:

    Caps fans, there’s at least one silver lining in all of this:

    Pens-Rangers…Crosby-Jagr. One of those two bozos will be polishing his golf clubs in less than two weeks.

    You look for good news where you can find it some days… 😦

  98. Elsie Says:

    Karma is a bitch. I’m counting the hours and days before the Habs crush the flyers into oblivium. Looking forward to watching a humiliating defeat for the Flyers. They will run out of luck and all the refs i the world won’t be able to help them steal a game again. The Caps have mauled them beyond repair in these past two weeks that it won’t be too hard for Montreal to kick their butts to the curb. Montreal, you owe our beloved Caps big time. See ya next year Ottawa! The Caps are on their way up, the Flyers are on their way down. You cannot impede your demise. Ovie still rules!

  99. Philly Voice of Reason Says:

    Hi Elsie,

    Do your sour grapes smell as good as the Flyers sweet success?

    Habs, like the Caps, think this series is already won.

    Habs, like the Caps, will be cleaning out their lockers earlier than planned this year.

    Habs, like the Caps, don’t realize what their in for

    Habs, like the Caps, are probably already complaining about the officiating in this series.

    I could go on, but I think you get the picture.

  100. Dan Says:

    Do you ever get the feeling Jesus is just sitting around, reading forums and blogs on the internet and thinking “You know what, maybe I just shouldn’t even bother.”

  101. Dick Says:

    Did anyone see the goalie interference that wasn’t called in period 2?

  102. txcapsfan Says:


    Everything that comes out of Vor’s mouth is crap. It would be better served if we just move on and continue to discuss items that are important to us as Caps fans. As illustrated by your post.

    I think our defense is a little better than you give them credit for (yes there are holes some of them big) what i think we need is a #1 Defensemen. Resting our defensive hopes on Alzner being as young no matter how talented is risky. We should sign a #1 Defensive player with experience (playoff and regular) to help develop the younger defense we have.

  103. Tom in FL Says:

    Tex: I agree, I just compare the defense we have to what you need for the Cup. If you simply add thru free agancy or trade the big #1 guy, all the rest of the pieces fit. For instance, big #1 guy and Poti are fine as first pairing; Green and Morrisonn fine as #2; Alzner and Eminger or Erskine are fine next year as #3. I full realize Green would be #1 on PP and Alzner would move up on PK.

  104. Mike L Says:

    The defensive pairings next year are way up in the air as the Caps have available up to 10 NHL-capable defensemen. They need to pare down the list to 7 somehow. In order by how they probably stack up ability wise:

    1) Green – First pair defensman, could become the best offensive D-Man in the league, also on Power Play
    2) Poti – Durable, steady, second pair, PK, eats minutes
    3) Morrisonn – Steady, rock solid, good anchor for Green – First Pair, PK
    4) Alzner – Needs to learn the game at the NHL level, who better to play him with than Poti? – Second pair
    5) Pothier – Steadying influence, but a the biggest offseason injury question mark on the Caps. It is very possible he may have to retire due to the concussion he had.
    6) Schultz – Large, good size, needs to play more to it, 3rd pair, PK, could be a better skater
    7) Lepisto – Needs to get the NHL game speed down. Makes great decisions mostly, but doesn’t react as quickly as he needs to at the NHL level.
    8) Erskine – Tough as nails, good on the PK.
    9) Emminger – Great attitude, also tough, surprising shot as well, may be the second best shot on the team from the blue line behind Green.
    10) Jurcina – See Jeff Schultz, only he’s bigger than Schultz and plays smaller than Schultz.

    Alzner is very likely the Caps didn’t go out and get another big tough d-man (they were aviailable, such as Adam Foote). He’s a natural pairing with Poti, and if they mesh the way Morrisonn and Green seem to, the Caps will have two top-notch pairs, with some terrific players who might be top-4 on other teams to fill out spots 5-7.

  105. JAM1 Says:

    The explanation is baloney. If your read the whole rule it beings with stating that the overriding rationale for the rule is that the goal tender not be impaired while in the crease by an attacking player unless the D man causes the contact. Here the attacking player caused the contact. Whether the check is legal or not should not matter. Under that rationale, Thoressen could have checked Koharski or one of his own men into Huet and it would have been a goal. That makes absolutely no sense and ignores the overriding rationale of the rule. Let’s face it, there were bad calls both ways but this goal changed the outcome of the game by taking out the goalie. There is no rule in the book or of sportsmanship that supports such an outcome.

  106. Barovan Says:

    This was simply the Caps not being a playoff ready team. The three game section where the Flyers won was simply the more prepared team winning. We forget that our best players are all under 24 and had no playoff experiance. Our goalie had been in one playoff experiance. Do I think the Caps are the better team, yes I do. For four games the Flyers out played them though, the Caps got lucky and won game one. The Caps learned what playoff hockey was and outplayed the Flyers in the last three games, the Flyers got lucky and won game seven. Thus the Flyers advance and the Caps go home. Things will be diferant next year, a good offseason, a little more luck on the injury front and a full season under Boudreau and the Caps could go much further in the playoffs. Or the hockey gods could hate us and smite us.

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